There is this fantastic myth that great seducers are always out there seducing all the time and that they can seduce anyone. While this is true when it comes to the seduction of the masses, I can assure you that this is NOT the case when we reduce it to every single interaction.
Sometimes people fall prey into believing this stereotype (fantasy) that was conceived in their own mind, or because they were told this is true, or they convinced themselves that this is true from a short term chance encounter with an individual who seems to ‘have it all’. But this short term glimpse of greatness is just that, how he is in the short term. In actually, it’s hard to maintain and project this on-all-the-time personality whilst being authentic. In reality, these great seducers are just guys, in the upper echelon of men, who have deep passion and deeper insight into relationships and how they affect women.
I have many well known friends both inside and out of the community, and I always make it a point to spend time with them in public settings, and I can tell you (without naming names) that I’ve seen guys get blown out, flat out rejected, slapped, and cussed at by women. I’ve seen guys talk to a woman only to see her roll her eyes when he walks away. I’ve seen good guys get nowhere with women.
Of course, I’ve seen guys do very well with women and seemingly create ‘magic’ out of thin air. But this is really only the minority of encounters, most encounters with women won’t lead anywhere or pan out – just by shear probability and human nature, it would be foolhardy to expect this to be otherwise. There is one key difference between men who are seducers and those who are not and it’s all in the mind - the great seducer believes that he can seduce anyone (an important part of developing the seducer psyche) and the reason why these men have so such success is because they are willing to put themselves out there and try more often than the average man.
But what does this mean? It means that to become accomplished in seduction (and remember, I use this term very loosely. It can be as simple as one single seduction that will get you the one you are to marry to seducing the masses in business and politics) that you do have to take more chances and take advantage of more opportunities to meet women. It also means that you will leave a trail of women behind you who think that you are an idiot, a jerk, loser, mean, non-caring, manipulative, clueless, or a player. And take note that there is a lot of disappointment and heartache involved (for both sexes), you have to be prepared for that and be able to learn very quickly.
Speaking for myself, there are certainly a few women that I’ve moved too fast with, or gone too far with. Speaking for others, well known figures or not, I know that they all have had similar experiences. Mystery, the worlds greatest “pick up artist” (ahem), once posed the question, is it worth it to have one thousand women hate you to have a lifetime of women love you (or something or other, I’m paraphrasing).
It’s frustrating when something doesn’t work out the way you hope, but hopefully this teaches you how to think ahead and be better in the future, as another key to becoming a seducer can be summed up in one word. Experience (your experience, not someone else’s that you read about on the internet).
An Example of Mismatching
But, I must also point out is that IT IS NOT ALWAYS YOUR FAULT. Yes, sometimes it is your fault, you stupid bastard, but other times this happens because of several reasons, one of which is compatibility. I have a strong belief in being compatibility (for long term relationships, but it’s also important for short term relationships, just not as much so). Some other variables when it comes to compatibility, include examining where you both are in life, the role society will play in your relationship (or how much you will let society influence your relationship) and your own individual desires and expectations.
This will be a large part of the relationship management of my book and my upcoming course, and, like most concepts that I develop, it needs to integrate with other concepts, such as positioning and goals that, combined with your expectations can determine what type of experience you can have with someone. Let me elaborate on this with a recent example of what I mean.

At the last Taboo the Naughty But Nice Sex Show (awesome show, by the way), I met a local business woman who worked in a very specific niche that I was interested in at one point. While at the show, we had an interesting chat about relationships and then she told me about some never-before-done venture that she is putting on. For some reason it sounded familiar to me and then I remembered that I had actually read about it in a local paper last year. We didn’t talk much more after that, as I was too busy working at the show, as was she, but a week or so later I get an email from her asking if I was interested in her venture to form a marketing partnership.
Sure, as I consider marketing to be a forte of mine, of course I would. But I was also intrigued in that she was a Sagittarius, as when two Sagittarius’s get together, it makes for interesting times (someone who actually understands a Sadge is usually another Sadge!). Ironically, I almost NEVER meet other Sagittarius’ or Aquarius’ (I meet a lot of Aries, Cancer, and lately, Virgos) and I am aching to meet more. (Side note: I would love to meet an Aquarius actually, as I’ve never met and hung out with one. Know any?). So we agree to meet and also continue the conversation without her boots and sequins.
It’s just a matter of finding a time to meet. These days I am so busy (well, all fire signs are always busy all days) that any meetings I make are spontaneously short notice, but we finally do make it out to a coffee shop the following Tuesday, and then to the Morrissey, I forgoing my friends who were trying to drag me out to a club, in lieu of the meeting and promising conversation.
And the conversation was…interesting and fun. We did talk about her venture, and then the conversation shifted into writing, energy, music, more relationships, and generally intriguing topics. I did find that I had to humor her quite a bit, however, as many of the things that we had discussed were things that I had previously contemplated, (i.e. I asked her to explain her version of what do people want vs. what people need, which I actually talk about in the coaching), but I was interested in her opinion, being the knowledge hungry / experiential person that I am.
Now, before I go on, I should give some background about her venture (without naming names of course). I am familiar with her type of business, very much so in fact as I have had two short term, deep (as deep as a short term relationships can be anyway) relationships with women in her field of work, one in Vancouver and another in Montreal. There are a lot of misconceptions and stereotypes floating around about her line of work, and I’ve seen a lot of what really goes on and I’ve done a lot of previous academic research about it in the past. I’ve even made categories for the different types of women in it.
The aforementioned women in her line of work, whom I previously dated were genuine, open, and wanting love and connection. They are both great girls, thus we got along. Other categories of women in that field include women who live for today, yet in a fantasy world, a little removed from reality. There are some who are hurt and were previously abused, and drugs always permeates into their lives, whether they want it to or not. There are single mothers, just trying to find a way to support her family. And, last but not least, there women who have a sense of entitlement, and who equate the value of their standard of life to what they can get, which is usually = a dollar amount. There are a few more descriptions and the women may be a combination of several of these (and keep in mind that this I am generalizing in broad strokes here, don’t chastise me for reducing people).
This local business woman was definitely more of the last category, being an independent woman (i.e. the true definition of a fire sign). During our meeting, when she relaxed and spoke honestly about things, she actually looked 10 years younger, and when she caught herself off guard and put her up a protective personality (not surprising in her line of work, where I’m sure she gets ALL types of guys approaching her) she definitely seems like a different person. Sometimes I would lean in, and if I was leaning in too much, then I’d lean back and she’d start to lean in and before we knew it, 9:20pm turned to 12:15am and it was time to call it a night.
After the meeting, I did wonder what the point was. I hoped I made a new friend as I am intrigued by her work (sadly, she’s not the type that I would consider to date. Just in the wrong category that doesn’t appeal to me unfortunately, which is kinda ironic as I am very easy going and open minded).
Follow Up
The next day, I heard on the radio that U23D had just come out that day, and I recalled that she was a huge fan, so I asked her if she wanted to come to a ‘surprise’, but, no, she had plans.
A week later, while at the Vancouver Wellness Show, I texted her again some small talk, as it was a long and tiring show and I felt like I had to go out and do something interesting, but alas this is were our expectations diverged and again nothing happened.
Moral of this Story
Even though we’re both true to form Sagittarius, where we differed was in our expectations, which I had surmised early on, but had been too busy to give it much thought at the time (in fact, I should be working now, as I’m creating some awesome new initiatives for everyone, hopefully to launch in March).
The difference in our expectations for this entire encounter dictated what we wanted to get out of it (aka, desire), thus, if these don’t match, it will lead to…well, nothing really. And that is what happened in this story. When we met:
My expectation was that I thought I was making a new friend and treated her as so.
Her expectation was that she thought she was making a new customer and treated me as so.
Basically, we positioned each other differently, as is common when people meet, but we never got repositioned to some mutual ground.
Is it either of our faults that our expectations are different? No, as people have their own lives to live. What was our fault was our failure to read ahead, as we rushed into the total interaction without considering all the variable. It is possible to fake compatibility, which happens all the time, but which I DO NOT condone, because in the end, it leaves two people hurt, deceived and unsatisfied. It’s better to take the more honest approach then deal and adapt.
It’s certainly not the easiest, but the fastest way to get to the point (if that is what you want – I also can talk about not getting to the point, ergo, the male vs female way, haaa). But in the end, every step you take away from what you don’t want brings you closer to what you do want.
PS: So what about the venture we discussed? It’s a huge undertaking that’s for sure. As I do support the cause and because it’s partially for charity, I will make an offer to help. Every little bit helps.